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Post by FredoNitro on Nov 29, 2014 23:19:37 GMT -5
What about Vault 77, the vault of the puppet man??
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Post by Endicott on Dec 1, 2014 16:58:44 GMT -5
I've asked the same question, and since I haven't asked Immortal himself the answers are only speculation. It's either that he simply neglected to put it in, or elected to remove it from our canon because he or others deemed it not necessary or bad. I personally only wanted it listed so I could use the myth in RP, but seeing as the Vault's location is never mentioned and the Puppet Man is long since dead, it's not a big issue, though it would be fun for it to be some kind of little wasteland campfire story.
On a side note, neither of us should really be posting here I don't think. Might've been better to PM Immortal, make a thread about it on the general or suggestion board or asked in Chatango, but it's done now (and this is total hypocrisy since I'm posting here to help give you some idea over why it might not be listed).
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Post by <> MetaWulf <> on Dec 1, 2014 18:36:11 GMT -5
Moving this thread start to General Discussion.
Please post all general questions in this section of the site. Thank you.
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Post by The Lost Traveler on Dec 1, 2014 21:54:51 GMT -5
Personally, I just think it hasn't been updated. My Vault 66 isn't there either.
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Post by Zelus on Dec 2, 2014 4:38:01 GMT -5
My personal view of Vault 77 isn't canon. Although it is an "official webcomic and considered canon", I don't believe it has enough in game reference to warrant it's existance. There is probably a vault 77, just not one with just a guy and some puppets. Even with the presence of one of it's jumpsuits it's a little... too out there in my opinion. I see the jumpsuit as nothing more than an Easter egg in reference to the comic (see the Nukabreaker - an item that was added due to the Nuka-Break series, which although an item exists from it, doesn't make it canon). There isn't really anything that solidifies it in canon. If the story of vault 77 exists, it's probably just a creepy wasteland camp fire story (Like Endi said)
As for your vault Lost, I'll edit it in at some point if ya like?
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Post by ThreeDawg on Dec 2, 2014 5:41:18 GMT -5
After much debate we have come to an official stance about this vault:
So there isn't an inhabitant from Vault 77 alive. Furthermore, Vault 77 is just an empty room now. With some puppets.
It just needs adding in.
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Post by The Lost Traveler on Dec 3, 2014 2:00:12 GMT -5
I don't particularly care if it is or is not there, since it has already been accepted as site canon. I was just using it as an example of how those old guides haven't been touched much since they're mostly complete.
If anything, I would like it to be there so newbies who are trying to read up about the site lore would know what's out there that's different compared to the game series canon.
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Post by <> MetaWulf <> on Dec 3, 2014 17:57:22 GMT -5
* chuckle *
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Post by aardvarklord on Feb 8, 2015 16:16:22 GMT -5
(This is the thread to generally talk about Fallout canon right?)
So I remember looking up the deathclaws a long time ago, and I remember hearing something about the talking ones being all male, but I can't find the reason why that was. I know how the talkclaws came to be, what with Enclave deciding "Let's put these things that eat our faces off into the FEV. What could go wrong?" But was there a reason for that detail or were the characters just made that way for convenience's sake?
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Post by Zelus on Feb 8, 2015 16:54:49 GMT -5
The Enclave did create the intelligence to only reside in males. There isn't really enough information to really say either way, the info is:
"In any case, there is a chance that two intelligent deathclaws survived to continue on the species. I realize that they are both males, but that is fine. When they were engineered by the Enclave, the intelligence gene was made male specific and dominant. What this means is: Any intelligent male that mated with a non-intelligent female would (most likely) produce intelligent offspring."
That being said, intelligent Deathclaws are sort of... restricted heavily.... So I'd advise against making one right now, if that's your plan.
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Post by ThreeDawg on Feb 8, 2015 18:19:51 GMT -5
Yeah, any females born of a union of intelligent and non-intelligent Deathclaws would be:
If male, most likely intelligent.
If female, standard Deathclaw.
However it would no doubt create a Deathclaw society where the male Alphas ruled the roost. The Matrons themselves would be ruled by the intelligent Alpha's, because the Alpha's can still communicate in Deathclaw style. So it's essentially creating a half-intelligent, half-not community. If they wanted to, a single intelligent Deathclaw following a strict regime of dispersal could probably over a few generations systematically put his gene in most of the west coast's Deathclaw populations.
The end is nigh.
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Post by aardvarklord on Feb 8, 2015 19:11:08 GMT -5
Ah, that sounds about right. Thanks for the clarification. And I was kind of debating making a character, but more than anything I was asking while the thought was still around; I'm not very good at remembering to ask a question I had days ago. I'm aware they're restricted, so it's not like I was expecting to be given a fond go ahead without a second glance or anything.
And god help the west coast if a tyrant deathclaw takes control. An army of deathclaw fascists... RUUUUUUUUN
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Post by Jackie on Feb 9, 2015 20:07:37 GMT -5
On the topic of restricted characters, I had a question about an idea I had bouncing around. Going to go ahead and point out I'm already highly doubtful it will fly, not to mention that you guys likely want to see for yourselves that we aren't retarded power abusers before we attempt death claw and super mutant characters and what not, just talking hypotheticals right now.
Sentient croc-jaw, and by sentient, I mean an IQ of like 85-90, so not the sharpest tool in the shed. Complete with extensive history as to how he knows English and stuff. Like a death claw, he would be unable to use any kind of ranged weapon either.
Was just curious if this would be within the realm of possibility at all.
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Post by Stelpher on Feb 10, 2015 1:54:22 GMT -5
I'll let a mod give you a proper answer, but in the mean time, i'll just give you a generalization of thoughts on "Intelligent Irradiated Animals."
Don't go there. It's bad news. Too hard to RP without being either godly or unrealistic. And they're just such a pain.
If you are by any chance thinking of making one such character in the future, unless the mods say otherwise, i warn you that the approval time on it could be anywhere between a month and never.
Sorry if i'm bursting any bubbles here. Just wait for a mod, i'm sure they'll have a more informed opinion.
Cheers.
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Post by ThreeDawg on Feb 10, 2015 5:28:52 GMT -5
Stelph's about got it covered. Croc-Jaws are hardly known about, that's for sure. I mean really they're not even canon so you'd think "hey anything goes", buuuut...
There has never been an intelligent creature formed trough 'naturalised' radiation or FEV exposure. Deathclaws and Mirelurks have grown in intelligence, yes, but only to the point of having a pack/hive-like structure. I imagine Crocjaws are very much the same.
So that brings us to purposefully intelligencerifying them. That means Enclave, and while the Enclave could feasibly achieve an Intelligent Crocjaws Program, their Deathclaw one kinda fell flat and they no longer have the safety and comfort of a well established base out in the middle of nowhere with which to conduct this research on.
Who's want to go near radioactive swamps anyway? That's asking for it.
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